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(*whispers*: please read the info post before hopping in here!)There was some confusion last year with the designation of large and small-sized fandoms. This year, the answers should be a bit simpler! Fandom size does NOT matter, and aside from a little wiggle room, there are only two rules for nomination eligibility.1) If a search for the character generates fewer than 500 hits for complete fic in which the character is a focal point on a SINGLE WEBSITE*, they ARE eligible for rarewomen.2) If a search for the character generates 500 or greater hits for complete fic on a SINGLE WEBSITE, they are NOT eligible for rarewomen.***We will be using AO3 as our primary search. If you know of an archive or site that renders a particular character NOT eligible, please let us know either during discussions below or during the nominations clean up period. **In the case of fandoms or archives that tend to tag for characters who are NOT the main focus of the story, we will cross check with other archives but generally err on the side of granting eligibility, as the spirit of this exchange is to encourage stories about rare women and not to limit them.Yes, this means that a character may come up as eligible based on AO3 numbers, but is later rendered NOT eligible based on a search on, say, Fanfiction.net. We will, however, take Yuletide Rules into account: if a fandom has aged significantly, if the fandom has no or limited recent activity, we may render a character with a large hit count eligible. Obviously, we do not know this information about all fandoms, and will be crowd-sourcing to run the most efficient and inclusive exchange possible. We'll do cross-referencing, scanning the results, and everything possible to make sure we aren't reading hit counts for false results.Yes, this also means that one incarnation of a character may be eligible while another is not. It is okay! We'll write up a handy guide come sign-up time for any characters who appear in more than one source but are only eligible in some of those.Please:- Use this space to ask a mod about potential eligibility for a particular fandom/character.- Use this space to promote a fandom/character. If you are promoting, please use the following first line: PROMO: [fandom/character(s)]EDIT: And comments are back open.
Okay, this presents a problem for at least one character I'd like to nominate - Maria Hill from Avengers movie fandom.She appears as a character in many stories, however she's usually a support character in those stories, with a line or two, maybe a scene at most. The story is rarely about her - and, unfortunately, there's no way to tell without reading through the story.So what happens for support characters in major fandoms, who might appear as 'side' characters, get included in the character list for many stories, but for which stories specifically about her are actually very rare?
AO3 system of tagging is unusual for fandom because it tends to tag every. single. character. We won't be going by the numbers on that strictly. So in cases like that, we'll compare with other archives and take those numbers into account. Maria Hill should be eligible, I am pretty sure, given that while Avengers is a fairly large fandom, it's mostly slanted towards m/m fic.
Which fandoms are eligible?
All fandoms are eligible.The only limit is on the rareness of characters, so, in the case of either large fandom or small fandom, nominations will go as follows:Harry Potter: Hermionie Granger [not rare, has well over 500 stories]Juno: Juno MacGuff [rare, has well under 500 stories]rather than allowing any whole categories.
I noticed that the tag set is already up and accepting nominations-- is it officially open? *g*
No. See upcoming post about timeline. Had no idea this post would "broadcast" as it is backdated. We aren't ready for you yet! Sorry!
I am planning on nominating Gundam Wing. To the best of my knowledge, all female characters except Relena should be eligible. I'm basing this on ff.n numbers, though, and older fics on ff.n are generally not tagged with characters. If anyone has reason to believe someone else should be disqualified, please let me know.Right now, the characters I'm planning on nominating are Sally, Noin, Une, Dorothy, and Meilan, but I'm open to changing that.
From an (mostly) outsider in GW fandom back in the day, your estimation sounds correct. Course, I'd love to find a stash of GW ladyfic somewhere, but in the absence of that, it would be awesome to see some here!
I'm interested in nominating a group that the canon's author didn't do much with--the Haradrim. Specifically, the Haradrim women. (I confess that I'm more interested in the characters that Tolkien DIDN'T write tons about in LOTR, The Hobbit or The Silmarillion--i.e., the dwarves, the Entwives, and, as I said, the Haradrim/Easterlings.) Since there are no named Haradrim (and only one named Entwife, Wandlimb), would nominating the nationality or the species be feasible?
Yes. That is both feasible and reasonable!
Would Barbara Gordon be eligible? It looks like she has 604 complete works on the AO3, but she shows up in several of the rarewomen stories from last year. Although that could be because she was an optional detail from someone's request, or she had fewer stories last year? (Or do Batgirl-Babs and Oracle-Babs count separately, or something like that?)
I don't think the A03 tags differentiate which Barbara Gordon it is - so those 604 works could be the sum total of comics Barbaras, the various animated Barbaras, and live action Barbara.
PROMO: Haven, Audrey Parker, Lucy Ripley, Sarah Vernon' and any of the supporting female castAudrey deserves so much more fic and there are entire worlds to uncover for her past incarnations of Sarah and Lucy.
PROMO: NCIS, Caitlin Todd, Rachel CranstonKate had two short but memorable seasons - memorable enough that a few seasons ago, we were introduced to "Dr. Kate's sister, Rachel"There were stories we never finished writing for Kate and now a whole new dimension is added as we got to know Rachel more.
If we go by the "less than 500 hits on AO3" rule, pretty much all of Sherlock's female characters are rendered not eligible (even Harry Watson, who doesn't even physically appear in the show). Only Sarah Sawyer and Irene's maid Kate pass the <500 hits test. Would characters like Molly Hooper, Irene Adler, Mrs Hudson, Sally Donovan etc still be considered rare enough for this fest? As far as I can tell most of their tags come from them being supporting characters, rather than the focus of stories. Sherlock is a very male-centred show and its fandom is overwhelmingly focused on m/m, so it'd be nice to have some more stories actually focusing on these women.
We know about the weird tagging system on AO3. We'll be using both that and a count of less than 200 on fanfiction.net to determine eligibility. The post will be edited to reflect that.And yes, I believe most women in any Sherlock fandom would probably end up qualifying, if not all.
I'd like to nominate characters from a handful of tiny fandoms (under 30 stories each on AO3) if that's permissible.Shakespeare, Richard III - Queen Elizabeth, Anne Neville, Cecily Neville, Margaret of AnjouShakespeare, Henry VI - Margaret of Anjou, Elizabeth Woodville, Eleanor CobhamShakespeare, King John - Queen Eleanor, Constance, BlancheShakespeare, Henry IV - Doll Tearsheet, Mistress Quickly, Kate PercyShakespeare, Richard II - Queen Isabel, Duchess of YorkShakespeare, Henry V - Princess Katherine, Alice, Queen IsabeauI'd also love to nominate several Historical RPF categories but there are so many rare women in each that I have no clue where to start...
Those would all be permissible, however your nominations will be limited to a much smaller list. Ideally, we'll be able to find matches with these super-small fandoms (promote promote promote on your own spaces!) but other participants in the exchange might be worth considering. Hope you get a some interest in these characters!
PROMO: Marvel Comics, Misty Knight and Colleen Wing:Two bad ass mercenaries/bail bondspeople/superheroes, and their epic friendship for the ages. Cool together and apart.PROMO: Marvel Comics, Faiza Hussain/Excalibur:British ER doctor and superhero fan who earns the right to wield Excalibur. Now fights monsters.PROMO: Marvel Comics, Carol Danvers/Captain MarvelFighter pilot and reporter now an Avenger. She does stone cold badass well. She also has so many female friends that no one quite knows who to slash her with.PROMO: Sinbad (Sky1), Nala and RinaNala is princess who left Death at the alter, and is now on the run. Rina is a street thief with massive trust issues and no idea how positive human relationships work, now also on the run.PROMO: The A-Team (2010), Charissa SosaIn a movie mostly based on style, Charissa really nailed the idea of swagger. Career-orientated and ambitious, this DCIS Agent always gets her felon.
Seconding the Faiza Hussain promo! She's amazing in so many ways!
PROMO: Buffy the Vampire Slayer/SandySandy is the woman who was sired in Season 3 by Vamp!Willow and came back in Season 5 to bite on Riley Finn. PROMO: Buffy the Vampire Slayer/KendraKendra is the vampire slayer from season 2 that was called after Buffy died. I don't know that I've seen a lot of love for her and I'd like to.
PROMO: Axis Powers Hetalia/Belarus & TaiwanBelarus is a tough chick that scares even her older brother Russia. She loves the occult, rock music and eats lots of potato dishes. Taiwan is a cheerful girl that has been nervous a lot in recent years. She doesn't believe in bad luck. In both cases fandom doesn't fully explore the history and politics involved with either character.PROMO: Suite Pretty Cure/Kanade, Hibiki, Ellen, AkoA tomboyish pianist, a short tempered baker, a black cat and a snarky princess fight baddies with awesome fight and cute outfits while using the power of music.PROMO: Smile Pretty Cure/Nao & ReikaChildhood best friends that have awesome fights in cute outfits. Nao is a family oriented, sporty girl that is scared of bugs, heights and ghosts (and clings to Reika when scared). Reika is a reserved girl, with a serious case of comically missing the point.
I was wondering about a few of the ladies from The West Wing- CJ Crieg- Abbey Bartlett- Donna MossI'm pretty sure they qualify; there's less than 500 fics featuring them at all on ao3, but I know that the fandom is old so a lot of the fic is scattered across the internet. But it is an aging fandom...and most of the fic for these ladies is either shippy or they are background characters.
I'm going to get a list together and consult with prozacpark the next time we're both online. Within 24 hours from now? :)
Hrm.. I've got a list I'm building of "definitely eligible"/"possibly eligible"/"probably not eligible"... it is okay if I just throw it at y'all at some point (with links to where I'm getting my information) and let you decide? Gosh, this was easier for me last go around because I found rarewomen after you'd finished all of this nominating business.
And here's the "possibly eligible" portion...Batman (any) - Stephanie Brownhttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Stephanie%20Brown/works (577)http://www.fanfiction.net/comic/Batman/3/0/0/1/0/3095/0/0/0/1/0/ (122)MCU - Darcy Lewishttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Darcy%20Lewis/works (1917)http://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Thor/10/0/0/1/0/63436/0/0/0/1/0/ (448)MCU - Peggy Carterhttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Peggy%20Carter/works (529)http://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Captain-America/10/0/0/1/0/70885/0/0/0/1/0/ (102)MCU - Pepper Pottshttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Pepper%20Potts/works (3707)http://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Avengers/10/0/0/1/0/84777/0/0/0/1/0/ (341)MCU - Sifhttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Sif/works (949)http://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Thor/10/0/0/1/0/63444/0/0/0/1/0/ (195)Teen Wolf - Allison Argenthttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Allison%20Argent/works (2546)http://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Teen-Wolf/10/0/0/1/0/65325/0/0/0/1/0/ (178)Teen Wolf - Erica Reyeshttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Erica%20Reyes/works (2333)http://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Teen-Wolf/10/0/0/1/0/87993/0/0/0/1/0/ (144)Teen Wolf - Laura Halehttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Laura%20Hale/works (762)http://www.fanfiction.net/search.php?keywords=laura+hale&ready=1 (36?)Teen Wolf - Lydia Martinhttp://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Teen-Wolf/10/0/0/1/0/65327/0/0/0/1/0/ (305)http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Lydia%20Martin/works (2840)Teen Wolf - Melissa McCallhttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Melissa%20McCall/works (626)http://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Teen-Wolf/10/0/0/1/0/65332/0/0/0/1/0/ (21)Supernatural - Jessica Moorehttp://archiveofourown.org/tags/Jessica%20Moore/works (656)http://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Supernatural/10/0/0/1/0/3331/0/0/0/1/0/ (426)Supernatural - Mary Campbell (maiden) / Winchester (married)http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Mary%20Campbell/works (611)http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Mary%20Winchester/works (583)http://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Supernatural/10/0/0/1/0/3330/0/0/0/1/0/ (454)
Jacqueline Roget (aka Jacques), Queen Anne (Anne of Austria), Liana the Sorceress, Charlotte Larousse, Elise Parisot...I know that every woman character in Young Blades is eligible for the Rare Women fest, because we have fewer than 500 stories for the entire fandom on the entire Internet, never mind those particularly starring the women. No counting challenges here. :-)However, what I don't know is whether anyone but me will request and offer this dear little fandom. Will you?A kind of "The Three Musketeers: The Next Generation" that diverges from Dumas canon, Young Blades is an ensemble presentation focusing on the Musketeer squadron joined by Jacqueline Roget -- a farm girl posing as a nobleman in order to become a Musketeer and avenge her family. Her quest shapes the overall story; the mystery of her background is the hook on which we are left hanging at cancellation. Other great women characters include the dowager Queen Anne, scheming with and around her son's prime minister, and the sorceress Liana, an ally of that same scheming prime minister.The thirteen episodes of Young Blades aired on PAX in 2005 and have, to this day, to the best of my knowledge, not yet come out on DVD or professional streaming. (Prove me wrong! I'd LOVE to pay TPTB for this series! And to retire my recorded-from-TV VHS tapes.) However, if you're willing to view episodes one little snippet at a time, someone did generously put them all on YouTube.♥
Your promo intrigued me, and I just watched the pilot (some wonderful person put whole episodes up on YouTube so there's not a great deal of clicking). What a fun show! If I continue to have the time to watch/continue enjoying it as much, I may well end up offering it. :)
PROMO: Sandbaggers (defunct British TV spy series) - Karen Milner, Marianne, Diane, Laura Dickens, Lady Wellingham Alexander Trilogy (Mary Renault) - Olympias, Sisygambis, Roxane, Stateira, Eurydike The Last of the Wine (Mary Renault) - Arete, Thalia, XanthippeThe Charioteer (Mary Renault) - Lucy, Olive, Nurse Adrian, Miss Haliburton The Friendly Young Ladies (Mary Renault) - Leo, Helen, ElsieSince all of these qualify for Yuletide every year they count as small fandoms, and although the last on the list includes the main characters (unusually for Renault they were women in that novel!) there are only half a dozen stories in TFYL fandom so anything about them definitely should count as rare!
wait, wait, what?(defunct British TV spy series) + female characters = Lyssie catnip. *goes off to netflix*
So it looks like all female characters from TSCC would be eligible, as the whole fandom only has just over 500 stories on AO3. And even Sarah only has 200 stories on FF.net (this is the ONLY time I will not whine about that, fandom! Your ONE pass.) Except Cameron has more than 500 stories on FF.net, so that means she's not eligible, right?
Is she the main character in all of them? She might lean towards eligible because of the low AO3 numbers...
PROMO: Venus Versus Virus | Takahana Sumire, Nahashi Lucia, Mikumo Nene, Ruka, LolaA manga about a seemingly normal middle school girl who finds herself involving in fighting ghost/zombie creatures called "Viruses."PROMO: Stray Little Devil | Akumachi Pam, Linfa, Lizyerra, Raim, VineA manga about a girl who is transported to another world and is turned into a devil. As she tries to find a way home, she makes friends with other devils and falls in love with an angel who looks suspiciously like her best friend from the human world.PROMO: Noir | Mireille Bouquet, Yuumura Kirika, Chloe, AltenaAn anime about two assassins; a woman who abandoned her past and a girl who had her past stolen from her. In their pursuit of the truth they find themselves entangled in an ancient conspiracy.PROMO: Girls und Panzer | Nishizumi Miho, Akiyama Yukari, Takebe Saori, Isuzu Hana, Reizei MakoIn a world where tank battles are acceptable school activities, one girl must overcome her reservations and become captain of her school's Tankery club. (This anime is actually pretty light-hearted and not as dramatic as I make it sound.)PROMO: The Last Story | Calista, Syrenne, MiraniaA Wii video game about a group of world-weary mercenaries who meet a cynical princess and end up involved in political plots and even the fate of the world.All of these are fairly obscure, but the first four can be found online if you know where to look, and the two anime series are available on Hulu and Crunchyroll if you can access them. Also, Venus Versus Virus, Noir, and The Last Story are still in print, and Girls und Panzer is too new to have any DVD releases yet, and hopefully the last two episodes will air before assignments go out.
I was considering watching Girls und Panzer actually. How fanservicey is it?
PROMO: Animorphs | Rachel, Cassie, Eva, Toby Hamee, Aftran 942The heroines of Animorphs are so amazing. Rachel was my first literary crush. Cassie and Eva are prominently featured and badass women of color. And Toby and Aftran may be aliens, but they're also female and very interesting characters.My favorite thing about Animorphs fandom is that Rachel is the most written-about character on both FF.net and AO3... but the fandom is small enough that she's still well under 500.
I've been meaning to re-read Animorphs since I was in 4th grade. There's no way I can get it done for this year, but maybe next year's exchange? I LOVE Rachel. So. Much. She was my first OTC.
PROMO: SG-1, Sha're.I hope it's all right to promote a character when I know I won't be able to participate...? I would love to, but I'm not on AO3 and for personal reasons don't intend to join it.
(That's absolutely okay!)
PROMO: Bleach - Soi Fon, Yoruichi, Nemu, KuukakuPROMO: Naruto - TemariPROMO: Code Geass - CorneliaEdited at 2013-01-27 10:49 pm (UTC)
Seconded for Yoruichi and Soi Fon; I'd forgotten how much I wanted to see fic of them until right now, gosh.
I have a question about nominating women from comic book fandoms, once nominations open. If it's a woman in, say, Marvel 616-verse (the main Marvel comics universe) should we nominate all 616 women under "Marvel 616" or should we nominate separately based on which series the woman is from? (I want to nominate women from Runaways and Young Avengers, and I'm not sure if I should do so under the general Marvel universe fandom or as separate fandoms.)Also, the single website rule means that if a character has 400 fics on fanfiction.net and 200 on AO3, she would still be eligible? Or would that break the 500 fics total rule?
1) Last year we had a mix. Since those two fandoms tend to mix quite frequently, it might make sense to nominate them either as one fandom: Runaways and Young Avengers, as Marvel 616, or, if you prefer them as separate fandoms -- after all, you're the one nominating. Anyone else plan on nominating for these fandoms? Weigh in? (Personally, as a reader-but-probably-not-writer-or-nominator-for-both, I'd prefer a joint fandom, either just them or the greater Marvel 616, since Marvel 616 could have Young Justice as well, eee!)2) She would be eligible! The only way she would be iffy is if she is way under on one site and way over on another. Then it is consulting time.
PROMO: [Eurydice, or The Devil Henpecked (1737)/Eurydice, Proserpine]. 18th century theatrical satire in which Proserpine lectures her husband about the importance of consent while Eurydice, the put-upon dead wife of an Italian opera singer, just wants to stay with Proserpine forever. Also, Hell is full of obnoxious fops.PROMO: [Nannerl, la soeur de Mozart (2010)/Nannerl Mozart, Anna-Maria Mozart, Louise de France]. The only classical music costume drama I’ve ever seen that actually tackles feminism, misogyny, and aspiring women musicians in a meaningful way. Nannerl wants to be a composer but her parents want her to find a more traditional place in the world; lots of canonical cross-dressing and a compelling father-daughter relationship; lots of room for femmeslash and/or female friendship, and mother-daughter stuff. PROMO: [The Lady Vanishes (1938)/Miss Froy, Iris Henderson, The Nun]. Pre-WWII lady spies! And resourceful heiresses! And fake nuns! ALL ON A TRAIN!PROMO: [Hauntings (1890)/Medea da Carpi, Alice Oke, Dionea]. Homoerotic ghost stories about women who got screwed by the patriarchy getting their own back after death. Lots of meta awesomeness about people getting preoccupied by history/the perils of fetishizing your research subjects/annoying 19th-century dude narrators getting their lives ruined by awesome dead ladies. (Bonus if you care about such things: the author, Vernon Lee, was a queer woman.)I’ve written in more detail about most of these works on my dreamwidth; Hauntings and Eurydice are both available to read for free online; Nannerl and The Lady Vanishes are easy to find as well. If anyone wants specific links I’d be glad to hook you up!
Thanks so much for the pointer to Hauntings - I'm enjoying it greatly!
Tessa Noel, Randi McFarland, Angie Burke, Michelle Webster, Grace Chantel, Annie Devlin, Rachel MacLeod...Will you wish to play with the unjustly neglected women of Highlander with me this year? :-)The AO3 currently counts 2595 HL works, of which, if I read the filter correctly, only 51 tag Tessa (never mind actually starring her). 51! Randi has 3! Angie 2! Oh, the humanity. These are fascinating, challenging characters who own their scenes and stroke stirring resonances that continue reverberating through canon long after we lose them. Tessa, particularly, offers an archetype of a strong, brave, "ordinary" human who is fully the match of the "superhumans" in her fantasy universe.